Like many homeowners, I got my escrow analysis recently on one of my investment properties (and it wasn’t one that I was doing especially well with in the first place). I’ll tell you right off the bat that it’s got a negative cashflow to begin with. Perhaps one of these days I’ll go into the whole story on why and what the long term exit strategy is.
Long story short, the payments went from $2285.84 to $2811.67.
Oh yeah… and the HOA went from $500/quarter to $533/quarter. I know this doesn’t sound like a lot, but every dollar starts to add up.
So, as of January 1, 2008, the payments have increased from $2452.61 to $2989.34. This means that my payment went up $536.73 every month. And keep in mind, I was upside down every month before. THIS HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE MORTGAGE ADJUSTING and I have owned this property for 19 months so there’s no first year adjustment for taxes to take into account.
My first reaction was to get angry – I mean really angry. Are you kidding me? How did this happen? So I quickly called the bank to try and figure out what was going on. They were collecting around $714 per month for taxes and insurance. This is DOUBLE what my taxes and insurance should be.
Well, heck, it’s no wonder that people are falling behind and losing their homes and having their American Dream snatched out from underneath them. The interest didn’t increase. I didn’t have one of THOSE kinds of loans. So, them my blood began to boil. I told them that if they didn’t want to help me solve the problem, I’d just stop paying and they could simply take it back.
I’m on the phone trying to figure this out with the customer service person that answered the phone initially, and I’d have had more success banging my head against a cement wall. Finally, I got to a manager who brought me to tears and just said, “It’s too bad. You can submit a request to have your escrow shortage extended an extra year, but that’s about it. You just don’t know what kind of loan you got.”
I went on to explain that there must be a problem when the loan was sold to him and asked to go through what he had in front of him. He said it wasn’t his problem. Finally, I told him that as far as I was concerned he could have the house back because there’s no real explanation that’s going to do any good.
And how in the heck was a normal person supposed to handle that when they are getting squeezed in every direction?
What’s more, is that while I try and figure out what’s going on and get to the bottom of it, I have to pay the increased amount or my credit gets dinged with a 30 day late pay – even IF it’s ultimately an error on their end.
So, I cried for a few minutes and seriously contemplated giving the house back. Heck, the Donald’s filed bankruptcy a handful of times. A short sale’s not the end of the world. My credit’s been bad before. I could deal with that. I also thought about taking a quick loss and selling it for a drop dead price and taking money TO the closing table so I could just be done with it and keep my credit in tact.
But, when the emotions settled down a little bit, I started to look at my escrow “analysis” statement and something STILL didn’t make any sense to me. So, I called the bank (Chase) back. First, I was routed to someone in a foreign country. Surely, you’d think by now, they’d realize that maybe homeowners should be speaking with someone in their own country while they all sort out this mess they got themselves into. But I’ll save that soapbox for another post.
So anyways, I call back and get someone in the states. She tells me that it’s just the way it is and that with the loan I got, I had to pay it. I explained to her that I got a loan that I didn’t have to pay PMI on. The interest was higher so I didn’t have a monthly payment. She told me that didn’t exist and could see in the account where they’d been paying nearly $160/month for PMI.
She told me the company that sold the loan had a lot of messed up loans and it’s just too bad. She told me I’d been lied to and that I could sue HomeBanc (the original lender who is now bankrupt), but that I wouldn’t get anything so I might as well just deal with it.
She also had the nerve to tell me I was either lying or stupid – I couldn’t figure out which! You see, she was having me read a statement and the line item she was telling me to read to her WASN’T THERE. She told me it was, and that I was wrong. It was a line item proving that they’d made the payment for PMI. Of course it wasn’t there because I wasn’t paying it.
I then went on to explain that it didn’t matter because they bought what they bought, like it or not. They cannot change the terms of the loan. She gave me instructions on how to request a longer period of time to pay back the shortage. I took them down, but I wasn’t satisfied with the answer, so I kept digging.
I pulled out every single solitary statement since I bought the property and tracked the escrow for 19 months. I looked at the HUD and the note that I had saved to my computer and there was nothing…
I called back a 5th time and spent 30 minutes with a girl on the phone who understood my frustration, but couldn’t find anything to help me on her end. She sent me to a manager, who then sent me to voicemail.
HOLY COW!!! How is a regular homeowner supposed to deal with this garbage?
And why aren’t the lenders held accountable when THEY make mistakes?
It all falls on the consumer… It’s no wonder people throw their hands up and wave the white flag. They are fighting a battle they can’t win and no one will help them.
When all was said and done, I found the document that I signed that says the loan has LENDER paid PMI (LPMI) which is different than BORROWER paid PMI (BPMI). LPMI is a part of the note and you pay a higher interest rate for it.
When Chase bought the loan, they conveniently misplaced this piece of paper and have been adding the PMI to my payment. Consequently, they’ve been paying out most of my monthly escrow payment to PMI which they should have been paying out of the interest on the loan. (FYI, this is why we chose this option… in order to have the tax deduction).
Now I’ve figured out the problem. Unfortunately, in order to have it corrected, I’ve got to fight them to make the adjustment. It’s like I’m guilty until proven innocent. And until such time, I have to make the increased payment or they will report me to the credit bureaus.
But, let me ask you…
- What if I didn’t know what questions to ask when I bought the loan?
- What if I didn’t understand the type of loan that I had?
- What if I didn’t have all of my statements from day one?
Now… I have to get something from them showing me where every nickel of my escrow has gone since they purchased the loan.
Then, I have to fax the document I have that proves that what I said all along was correct.
Next, I have to get them to credit back my account for the amounts taken out.
Oh yeah, and while this is all going on, I have to make over-payments or risk reporting to the credit bureaus.
So, the lesson for you is this… Keep all of your loan documents and contact new lenders immediately to make sure they have the right documents and that your loan payments are being applied correctly. Chase is so far the worst I’ve seen when it comes to escrow issues. I’ve had problems on multiple accounts.
It’s a shame that lenders are able to hurt consumers and get away with it. They are not held accountable. If you’re so much as 30 seconds late on your payment, they hurt your credit and affect all your bills. Credit card interest rates go up. Car insurance rates go up. And there’s nothing you can do.
Sure, once you resolve the issue, they may agree to correct it, but you have to follow up and make sure they do and they have 60-90 days to do it. In the meantime, your other bills have increased. It was their fault all along. And you’re he one that’s stuck paying the price.
I wrote this long-winded rant to make you aware of what’s out there and remind you that you need to be proactive when it comes to your loans. If you’re looking at working in the foreclosure market, there may be ways to help homeowners save their homes. Seriously consider looking into loan modification as an income stream.
It’s not always the case, but if you could help 1 in 10 people save their homes, wouldn’t that be incredible?
So… pay attention to your loan documents. Know what you’re signing. Get your mortgage broker or lender to explain everything to you – and maybe even go the extra mile and have him/her sign something or even record the explanation. If they refuse, find out what they’re hiding. It’s time the consumers and homeowners take back some control. It’s time for investors to stand up and make a difference.
There are plenty of homeowners that do need you to buy their homes, so if you’re working foreclosures and short sales, there will be no shortage of business. But there are many people that are just a few dollars away from being able to make their payments – and what if you can find a bank error that allows them to stay in their home?
Use the information you have to help people keep their homes. Use the knowledge that you’ve acquired for the greater good and if you don’t’ understand mortgages, now’s the time to learn them… really learn about them because as banks go out of business and notes get sold, it’s surely just the beginning of the bloodbath that’s about to come down the pike. And if we’re not a part of the solution, we’re a part of the problem.
In a couple of days, I’ll share a story where we were able to head it off on the front end and save a borrower 10s of 1000s of dollars over the life of the loan.
Heidi,
Try this; let them know who you are, how many subscribers you have, and point them to this post.
Then, inform them if they haven’t corrected the issue and credited your account for the overpayments within 30 days you will send all this information to
1. a lawyer in order to start a suit (maybe even a class-action suit)
2. the fair credit reporting authority in order to get them fined and put them under a gov’t microscope
3. ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX, etc…
This might sound like overkill, but you are in the right and I’ve found that promises like these help banks to move a lot quicker to fix their mistakes.
Way to go. You have to know everything u sign and not expect parties [Chase] involved to helpu. Way to fight!!!!
I think this story should be put out there for the media and politicians to see. It’s time someone at the TOP hold these lenders accountable for their actions. Wish we could all get bailed out of this mess by the government like the banks are. Most of the banks won’t even let the people they gave these mortgages to refinance because they don’t meet the new qualifications. The SAME folks they sold the bad mortgages to in the first place. Many within the past 18 months. SOMEONE needs to speak up for the PEOPLE in this country.
Heidi,
I also have had trouble with Chase. Don’t have room here to get into it but my complaint has gone on for a couple of years. I am getting an attorney to sue them. I am probably going to spend more on fees than I would be saving if Chase would resolve my complaint. Maybe not if we win …. but I just want to kick their arrogant, uncaring, greedy butt!… in court that is! I have also reported them to the FTC concerning the fair credit laws. I would also jump up and down if Chase went under from the banking and credit downturns. America is better off without that bank. Don’t do business with them! Let’s fight them Heidi. Hoping for all the best in business to you and all your clients reading this.
My blood is boiling as I read this because I’m experiencing something similar but not quite the same. I’m dealing with a credit union that has been unable to correctly credit my mortgage account for the past seven months! Each time I confirm that they receive the payments but they can’t find where they credited it (except it’s NOT to my account!). They’ve sent me a Letter of Intention with a months notice before they file for Foreclosure. In the meantime I had my bank send them confirming information and I’ve written them but received no response to tell me that they’ve found the payment. So I filed with the local BBB for starters and I’m about to file filing with the NCUA and some Consumer Help Advocates at the local TV Stations. In the meantime they’ve filed late notices with the credit bureaus and charged my account for late fees. It’s frustrating because it can happen again next month! Like you said it is time-consuming but we cannot let these institutions get away with these types of behavior. We really need to hold them accountable and try to get these experiences out in public so others can become more aware and learn what’s (negatively) possible
I am going through similar issues with chase mortgage as they changed my escrow analysis from a 3 yrs repayment to a 12 month repayment which jumped my payment by $300 without notice..
I thought I’d share a recent conversation I had with Counrtywide. This is regarding a mortgage on a house that I wanted to sell in January 2008 but Counrtywide REFUSED to give any leeway on the pre-payment penalty period which ended in March 2008 The end of April, three forclosures hit the market within a few blocks of this house. Now come April, the MARKET VALUE is almost 50% less than what I could have sold for! At the same time, my ARM mortgage payment had just increased again. With all the publicity about how the mortgage companies are supposed to be working with homeowners, I decided to see what I could do to RESPONSIBLY deal with this situation: Here’s the ensuing conversation with Countrywide:
a. Called Countrywide and asked about the loan options. Transferred to Refinaning unit.
b. Inquired about loan modification.
c. Said I can refinance but loan modification doesn’t apply to this mortgage.
d. Asked what they are doing for responsible homeowners who are trying to modify bad loan structure so we aren’t forced to jump on the foreclosure bandwagon
e. Laura- Customer Service- Told her I didn’t want to refinance as there was no reason for me to pay the bank another few thousand dollars given the current real estate market. She said loan modification is only a last resort if I didn’t qualify for refinance or if refinance doesn’t “meet my needs”. I told her that there is no reason for me to have to pay for the current situation w/foreclosures. So refinancing definitely didn’t meet my needs. She said that’s not what she meant. She meant a hardship.
f. She transferred me to Julie-Workout Dept. Asked her what programs are available for responsible homeowners. Explained that they wouldn’t allow me out of the pre-pay situation at the end of January ; which expired in March of 2008, when I could have sold the house.
She said Oh-for the type of mortgage you have there are No options; no programs!
At that point I said I wanted to make sure I had it correct because I was going to the media about the fact that people trying to maintain good credit are not being helped by companies who have received millions of government bailout money and whose CEO’s are making millions of dollars in salary and bonuses. She again said the only thing they could do was refinance. I reminded her that the issue she and Countrywide do not want to address, is help for responsible homeowners attempting not to become delinquent.
Asked her if the answer is for those of us who can’t get out or get help should jump on the foreclosure bandwagon and stop paying our mortgages so we can get somewhere with the “workout department” She said that wouldn’t help because this mortgage was unique and it wasn’t a candidate for short sale because the investor wouldn’t want that!
She said there are No options on a pay option ARM. Only refinance. Or you can add on to your payments IF the investor is willing to let you catch up that way!
g. Again told her I would be using this for a public media example of how responsible homeowners are not being offered reasonable solutions. They are doing nothing to help stop the downturn of the market in this country.
ANYONE HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS?
Very good post, thanks!
I’m having a similar problem with Chase. I’m glad I’m not alone in this! My husband & I bought a house in October 2007. By January or February 2008, Chase bought the loan from our original mortgage company. We have always paid our mortgage on time, including the PMI payments. The original mortgage company did not pay the PMI to the insurance company. When Chase bought the loan, Chase made payments to the insurance company, to include the amount the original company failed to pay. Now Chase is requiring us to pay for those additional months. We already paid PMI for those months! They did not send us a letter in the mail to explain – they just increased our monthly mortgage payment by $15 for 12 months. I know that’s not a lot of money, but it’s still money that we do not owe because we already paid it. I just can’t help but wonder how many other people experience the same issue, and don’t even know it! We are trying to work with Chase to get this resolved, but I have serious doubts. With the scrutiny the banks are under, you would think they’d be more anxious to help customers resolve their issues – especially when it shouldn’t be the customer’s problem in the first place!